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d-m again raises jets' altitude to quell noise
for the second time this year, davis-monthan air force base is upping the altitude of military jets to decrease the decibel level over tucson.
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1. comment by allen r. (?) — june 26,2007 @ 6:27am
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why didn't they do this 40 years ago?
2. comment by rick b. (z_nut) — june 26,2007 @ 6:52am
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re allen,
40 yrs ago there was no one this close to the base. the base flew different type of aircraft. get your head out of your arse. if you do not like the noise, move. how much simpler can it be.
just my 2cents worth.
3. comment by tucsontornado d. (tucsontornado) — june 26,2007 @ 7:15am
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rick,
great job!!! i have been saying this for years. they all knew the base was there when they bought their homes.
i live right by the base and love the secure feeling. i would rather our men and women know what their doing and practice than not because someone is complaining.
4. comment by b k. (#1724) — june 26,2007 @ 7:19am
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in since 1956 my family lived at campbell & helen. i attended sam hughes elementary, mansfeld junior high, tucson high, palo verde high and the uofa.
jets flew over our homes and schools, interrupting classes and lectures. it was just part of life - not an irritation.
like rick, b wrote, if you don't like the noise move, if you plan to purchase a home here in tucson, check the flight patterns first.
5. comment by john n. (norrisski) — june 26,2007 @ 7:54am
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you idiots. that is not noise. that my friends is the sound of freedom !
6. comment by bobo a. (#4323) — june 26,2007 @ 7:55am
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the university of arizona opened in 1885. davis monthan opened in 1925. jets, arriving in the 1950's, brought a whole new level of noise.
many of the homes in the flight path were built before the base, and almost all before the jet age. although you can bash owners for living there, they are actually reducing urban sprawl and the need for more taxpayer supported infrastructure. the least we can do is reduce noise that does not impact the safety of our pilots.
thank you col. laughbaum for being a man of your word - we don't exactly know how to handle that these days.
7. comment by john n. (norrisski) — june 26,2007 @ 7:56am
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8. comment by robin g. (pan) — june 26,2007 @ 8:03am
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congrats to dm! and col laughbaum! all the more so, because they did this on their own. (the first 500 ' altitude change announcement was the result of 12 months of arduous negotiation.)
this is the the first indication that dm finally realizes that "times are a'changing". the base can't keep operating inside city limits as it did when it was 15 miles outside the town.
9. comment by m f. (#4411) — june 26,2007 @ 8:26am
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thank you dm
10. comment by catherine h. (#5608) — june 26,2007 @ 8:50am
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i'm so sick you you complainers! those jets are the sound of freedom! you should count your liberal blessings; i can't believe dm even considered the complaints of 200 ppl. this is pretty disappointing, i must say....
11. comment by tom b. (unhyphenated american) — june 26,2007 @ 9:18am
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i lived on a flightline for a few years. you just get used to it or you move. i suggest double paned windows.
12. comment by susan s. (#2667) — june 26,2007 @ 9:49am
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we live several miles from the base, and our realtor did not disclose any noise problem when we bought out house back in the 1990's. thanks to the new dm commander who is much more receptive and neighborly than the previous one.
13. comment by roy o. (royv) — june 26,2007 @ 9:55am
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#12 - why didn't you take that up with your real estate agent? i had to sign a statement that i knew about dm and the associated noise when i purchased a home in 1997. all potential home buyers who are considering a purchase in dm's flight paths are required to sign such a form.
people should do their homework before buying a home. don't jump into the deal and then gripe later.
14. comment by tony r. (#1734) — june 26,2007 @ 10:16am
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let me ask you "thats the sound of freedom" freaks, since when does having your eardrums blown out a blessing? i used to, yes used to live right under the flight path and dm would crank on the afterburners right over the house. now you tell me, is that the "sound of freedom" or just plain illuse of the afterburner. i tried double pained windows and nothing worked. i will admit, i loved living there when the a-10's flew over, but the new jets suck. i know we need to keep up with the times, but something needed to be done. thank you dm, but for me, a little too late.
15. comment by b k. (#1724) — june 26,2007 @ 10:21am
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someone here wrote, "the base can't keep operating inside city limits as it did when it was 15 miles outside the town."
first of all the base never was 15-miles out from the city.
second, it was the city, and the city fathers/mothers in their so-called 'wisdom', dangling from the developer's puppet strings, who encroached upon the airbase.
i believe it's the city's citizens who have chosen to live around the airbase who need to come to the realization that the base was here, and will be here. they are the ones who need to make a decision whether to stay where they are, or move.
as far as i have learned living here since '56, one can't escape the jet noise anywhere in the tucson valley, whether civilian or military.
16. comment by tom b. (unhyphenated american) — june 26,2007 @ 10:33am
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solution more money to the defense budget to make stealthier aircraft.
17. comment by john s. (#398) — june 26,2007 @ 10:57am
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this link shows dm and the area surrounding it in the 1940's scroll down and see the area in present day.i'd say dm was far from the city.
http://www.dmairfield.com/places/davismonthan/index.htm
18. comment by pat s. (peewee) — june 26,2007 @ 11:14am
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what is with people wanting to complain about the noise from the planes. when you know ther is an airport close by reguardless if military or otherwise there is going to be noise. do not buy or rent if it is going to bother you. reminds me of when we looked for a house in vail a few years ago. people were complaining about the trains......well hello ....where there are railroad tracks there is usually a train...
19. comment by william w. (gunner) — june 26,2007 @ 11:38am
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ear plugs work, and are cheap.
20. comment by kirk s. (krsketch) — june 26,2007 @ 11:41am
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i also signed that paper when i bought my house. dm is great for our city. all you whiners should leave!
21. comment by matt a. (#5997) — june 26,2007 @ 11:51am
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eventually they'll have to close the base...the city is going to keep growing whether we like it or not. bye dm!
22. comment by krista m. (azgirl01) — june 26,2007 @ 11:54am
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well let's do something about the trains and the cars with the "i can hear it from 4 blocks away" stereo systems too.
if you lived in that area prior to dm's jets, i can/will sympathize. if you decided to knowingly move into either tia or dm's flight path - that is your own dumb move and no sympathy for you!
23. comment by mark b. (mbahti) — june 26,2007 @ 11:56am
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whether for noise or safety dmaf has been promising to do this, and periodically doing this for many decades.
why do they stop and start?
24. comment by patricia b. (patty bollinger) — june 26,2007 @ 12:40pm
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i've lived in the flight pattern
for 51 years. for me, the sounds just blend into the background, like birds chirping, dogs barking, children playing. it is just part of life.
get over it people! if you just sit around and listen for planes all day, then you have too much time on your hands. go volunteer.
25. comment by sarah c. (sarahc) — june 26,2007 @ 12:55pm
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am i the only person that doesn't notice??? my family has lived near the base for 64 years...we enjoy watching the planes. it's just a part of life to us, and glad to know it is for others (#24 patty) as well.
26. comment by david r. (aztuff) — june 26,2007 @ 1:00pm
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the noise doesn't bother me, but why are they always running their afterburners on takeoff? seems unnecessary and wasteful.
27. comment by steve f. (stfram) — june 26,2007 @ 1:27pm
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hey matt, you shut down dm and the growth will stop, and will negatively effect home values in that area for years to come.
anyone who lives in the flightpath and doesn't like it: move. your homes are worth even more now since they are centrally located, and you'll be able to buy a house located far away from the evil military base you hate so much.
28. comment by tony r. (#1734) — june 26,2007 @ 1:39pm
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thank you post #26, you know what i am talking about with the afterburners. and on another note, (now i will complain), why do we have to train the british here. i understand we have clear nights and what not, but those planes are by far the worse noise makers far to none. when they are here, clear out.
29. comment by roy o. (royv) — june 26,2007 @ 1:48pm
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for the record, the a-10 aircraft at the base are very quiet as jets go. on the other hand, the f-16s assigned to the air national guard and stationed at tucson international airport do have afterburner capability and are relatively loud. the group at the ang trains pilots in the f-16 all year 'round. any country we sell the f-16 to sends its pilots to the ang at the airport for training. do not blame dm entirely for your discomfort since it may not be dm-assigned aircraft that are offending your over-developed sensitivities.
30. comment by richard o. (taicho) — june 26,2007 @ 1:52pm
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i disagree with the commander at d.m.
i was fire chief at moffett field near san jose in 1973 when nasa's galileo collided with a navy p-3 on approach.
nasa lost a number of their top people who were riding on that plane and the navy lost all but one of the crew of the p-3.
a factor in the collision was an approach procedure where large jet aircraft on approach were required to maintain altitude of 5,000 feet until they were very close to the approach end of the runway. this in essence caused the pilot to almost dive from 5,000 down to the runway level and flare out to land.
in the case of the galileo, the pilot never had a chance to see the p-3 approaching him from an angle, since the p-3 was on a base leg to land.
this procedure was applied in response to noise complaints from "citizens" in san jose.
i don't think the commander of dm ought to be catering to that kind of "citizen" here in tucson.
seems our military is going in a touchy feely direction. no wonder we can't win a war.
31. comment by phil d. (phild) — june 26,2007 @ 1:54pm
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i agree that all the whiners should move. i've lived near dm since 1950, and remember occasional sonic booms in the 1950's. maybe if dm brought those back it would drive away more of the complainers.
32. comment by tom b. (off2glamis) — june 26,2007 @ 2:47pm
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with the talks of us going into a recession if people keep bitching about the noise what would happen if dm were to close? there are such a small number of employers that hire thousands of people can we afford for the base to close?
dm was there long before the new houses were built. that is not any different then people that build a new custom home out on silverbell and the start bitching about the smell as soon as they move in. (give me a break).
do your home work before you buy a home!
as #18 wrote “people were complaining about the trains......well hello ....where there are railroad tracks there is usually a train...” same hold true for an airport or an air force base!
33. comment by clarence r. (obiwan57) — june 26,2007 @ 2:55pm
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#21matt: you are a short-sighted idiot! d-m brings needed money to the local economy; the top three employers here are: the u of a, raytheon, and d-m. and the jet noise is not all that loud, as the a-10 is one of the quietest planse the air force flies. as a matter of fact, the hot air out of your uninformed mouth is louder. i'ts backward-thinking people like you who keep tucson in the dark ages when it comes to economic growth.
34. comment by tom b. (off2glamis) — june 26,2007 @ 3:11pm
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#33. clarence r.
you can say that again. my post #32 is already getting td's. you wrote "you are a short-sighted idiot!" about #22. i think the is more then one out there. i reread my post and could not find one thing that would deserve a td. so i am with you 100% on your post. what the hell are people thinking? (or not thinking?)
35. comment by michael k. (knightmare) — june 26,2007 @ 3:15pm
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close dm now! i know, in some cases, that they were here first and that is a very important economic engine for tucson. it is just not practical or safe to have a large air force base in the middle of a metro area. i say move it 30 -40 miles west of tucson. i know they will have the same problem 30-40 years from now, but so be it. every other base closing did not bring the ruin predicted, many became research parks etc. i am not anti-patriotic i am anti-noise.
36. comment by mike s. (dirty) — june 26,2007 @ 3:32pm
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as a member of dm the sound of a-10's is nothing... yes we have a few f-16's but if you want some real noise move out to glendale next to luke afb. i agree with the people who think the jets are loud but there jets what do you expect? move to montana we dont have any loud jets for 100's of miles in that state.
37. comment by tom b. (off2glamis) — june 26,2007 @ 3:33pm
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#33. clarence r.
close down the big 3 and tucson will be a ghost town. do they think that businesses of any kind will stay in tucson if there is no money to support them? as it seems tucson wants 2 out of the 3 gone.
quit using the little red box. say what is on your mind. it is easy to click the little red box rater to explain your point of view, if you even have one. i would be more then happy to debate the issue. but moving your mouse over to the little red box and giving it a click rater then tell me which part you disagree with. i can’t come back and tell you why i wrote what i did. i can take the all td’s you dish out so make your point - this is not a popularity contest.
38. comment by mike s. (dirty) — june 26,2007 @ 3:34pm
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mr knightmare, thanks for moving us out of city limits gas prices are high enough as it is, why dont you get with you boss and move out of city limits
39. comment by matt a. (#5997) — june 26,2007 @ 3:51pm
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oh boo hoo to all the little dm lovers. if dm closes, tucson's economy will be just fine. we're getting ready to have a huge population influx as the baby boomers start to retire. home building, restaurants, retail, etc. will all be booming catering to these retirees who will complain endlessly about the jet noise. sorry folks but the writing is on the wall; an af base in the middle of a growing metro area will simply not survive. see clarence? you're the idiot! bye dm...
40. comment by tom b. (unhyphenated american) — june 26,2007 @ 4:21pm
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not to mention the all the illegals that will flood in when they pass the amnesty bill.
41. comment by robert e. (mrimpala63) — june 26,2007 @ 4:51pm
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it amazes me how the "snowbirds" who flock here to retire - making their money elsewhere - don't see a need for economic upgrade. of course, there would be more low-wage servers to help them! retire and stay home. keep dm, move the snowbirds and kalifornicators. i'd rather have disciplined soldiers who protect us than illegals and out-of-staters who take away....
42. comment by diana n. (desert trekker) — june 26,2007 @ 4:53pm
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the base was here first. for those who don't like the noise, feel free to move to a communist country or some other third world country.....maybe you losers would appreciate the sound of freedom afterwards!!!! go a-10's!!!
43. comment by jimmy h. (kilroy) — june 26,2007 @ 5:02pm
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for all those who are saying that the jet noise is too loud, try living near any other air force base or near an airport in the flight path and you will realize that the majority of the planes flying over (a-10's) are pretty quite in comparison. sure there are some f-16's taking off in full burner but they are usually alert aircraft doing the job of protecting your sorry whining butts. the rest of the aircraft taking off and landing that you complain about are here for the same reason that most of us are, the weather. now how many of you can say you bought or had a house built in the flight path before there were jets taking off and landing from dm? probably none as nearly every house in the flight path has been sold at least once since being built except for rita ranch which was mostly bought by military members when it was being built and the rest of its members knew about being in the flight path but didn't care.
next thing you will hear about is there same whiners moving out to vail and complaining about hearing the drag strip and get it shut down and then complaining about kids street racing in front of their house.
btw, if dm closes what is going to happen to the over 4,000 aircraft?
44. comment by levi m. (#6166) — june 26,2007 @ 5:07pm
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i love airplane noise be a small cessna or f-16
45. comment by levi m. (#6166) — june 26,2007 @ 5:08pm
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let them fly low and slow
46. comment by david r. (aztuff) — june 26,2007 @ 6:29pm
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geez. i'm rather puzzled that my comment received thumbs down. my feelings aren't hurt mind you, i just want to know why they're running their afterburners when the price of gas is at an all time high. do people really think that makes sense?
47. comment by bill b. (#4485) — june 26,2007 @ 8:53pm
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#14. i will admit, i loved living there when the a-10's flew over, but the new jets suck
sir, your a lier. the "new jets" oh you mean the f-16's that are flying out of dm for awhile... they are a bit noisy but no big deal. as for liking the noise or the jets... your not gel'n.. man...
noise, well there was noise when the f-4's would rumble out of dm, and their was noise when the b-47 would rumble out of dm; and there was noise when the a-6's were there, then again there are some noises that are interesting, the sound of a kc-135 with water injectors going blasting down the runway.. same for an f-105 with burners going.. whoa.. thats some noise. a-10's tough little bastids they are, flying tanks is what they is... gonna be a bit of a ride on approach from 800 more feet, eeehhaaaaa, squeek squeek... what ever they do.. i sure hope they don't listen to someone like you vs crew safety. #45.. low and slow.. but please never dirty.
48. comment by george d. (gnpnaz) — june 26,2007 @ 9:18pm
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weither it is the sound of freedom or the sound of that c-9 nightingale bringing our service member that has been hurt home or the sound of our returning service members to their families, it is a sound that should be looked at as the sound of peace as well as service to our country. you support the troops, you support the sounds of their life too.
49. comment by george d. (gnpnaz) — june 26,2007 @ 9:37pm
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#36 you forgot the montana air national guard and their f-16's. but your point was well made.
wonder what the winers would be saying if the f-4's and f-111's were still flying?
50. comment by tom b. (off2glamis) — june 26,2007 @ 10:09pm
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george d.
as you can see only about 10% of post that have any rationality behind them got tu’s. your post # 48 was excellent and yet it still received td’s. i give up on trying to figure some of these people out. the td’ers have there thumb stuck up where the sun don’t shine. there should be a box (or hole) to check for them. that would be great a tu box a td box and the third box just a circle with a thump for them.
again post #48 was probably the best post of the day on this topic.
51. comment by bobo a. (#4323) — june 26,2007 @ 11:09pm
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i love the comments about how the base was here first. yes, in some cases, and in others not. note that the problem is not next to the base, it is in the flight path several miles away. i grew up near the base, and the noise was never even close to what it was in the university classrooms (which was there before the base).
tucson high opened in 1862 - don't think there were any planes circling tucson then. mansfeld, where the last jet crashed, was opened in 1930, five years after the base opened (but there were no jets at that time).
52. comment by krista m. (azgirl01) — june 27,2007 @ 7:04am
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maybe i should quit my job because the fighters from tia fly over and it is so loud and disrupts my work. maybe if i complain enough like some these people the planes will stop! (note the sarcasm people)
i'm taking a wild guess very few of you lived in small (<50,000 people) towns. tucson is a blessing compared to that. the noise and the hustle and bustle - i love it. i stick with anyone else here who said it - don't like it, move. although, i wish luck selling your home.
grow up and act like mature adults. there are far more important things going on in this world than the noise from a fighter plane at dm. like bae facing fines in a bribery probe or the panic in iran over petrol rationing. or maybe the fact venezuela is/could take over us oil projects. but no, you all have to spend your time complaining about the noise from planes that don’t fly 24/7.
53. comment by simon k. (skintero) — june 28,2007 @ 9:55pm
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yes please close the base down. it's clear by many posts on here that many tusconans don't realize how much money is spent in tucson by the folks stationed here and the civilians that work here. close it all down. move raytheon while your at. they do most of their business with the military. i sure wouldn't want to burden the fine citizens of tucson with anything related to the military.
i'd rather be stationed where i don't have to worry whether my car is still going to be in the parking lot when i come out of the mall or a restaurant anyway. i'd rather be stationed in a state where my kids can get a quality education and where the citizens of the community appreciate the military. please close the base so i can get out of mexico and move back to the states. please oh please!
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